Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
Thanks Derrick for your advice, i am please that someone like you have the time to post all these.
But what I can figured out is that these girls had their photos taken then got them scanned and saved them with numbers on floopy and then sent them off one by one with each email.
anonymous from United States
I don't send my photo. They copy those and then scam others using your photo, saying they are you. The ones I hear from all say they are from the US and then they chose a state. I will ask what time it is there and I don't receive an answer or it takes awhile. They all love me and think I am beautiful and want my home address. That is how I can tell they are scammers.
anonymous from Canada
Im Canadian too, and just remember that russian woman cannot get permission to leave Russia unless it is on a marriage visa which can only be obtained if the man visits her in Russia first...She may not be aware of this, however as soon as money comes up, its a scam. Be careful
email@example.com from United States
this girl says her name is olga zarnitsina,live in tula russia.i got dupped hard.match .comscreen name was feasher.email is firstname.lastname@example.org said she had made it all the way to moscow and they would not let her leave unless she had 2600 dollars for the month she would be in the us.what ever!!!!!!i am just going to laugh this one off but the pics were worth the 850 i sent.thank you...
Keywords: brunette red bikini beach
mickeymousetwo@HOTMAIL.COM from Canada
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, THAT IF ANYONE HAS COME ACROSS A RUSSIAN LADY BY THE NAME OF ' NATALIA SOKOL ' , TO PLEASE EMAIL ME.I WOULD LIKE TO EXCHANGE PHOTOS.I HAVE FOUND THIS YOUNG LADY'S NAME IN THE SCAMMERS LIST , BUT IMAGES ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE IMAGES THAT I HAVE BEEN SENT.I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK.PLEASE HELP ME TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS WOMAN IS A SCAMMER.ALOT OF THINGS ABOUT HER DO APPEAR TO BE STRANGE AND I JUST NEED TO TALK TO SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP TO SWAY ME ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.THANKS.
anonymous from Canada
http://www.new-dati..php?id=119 is the site you need to look at. She is a scammer. Almost anyone from Yoshkar Ola is a scammer. Huge internet scam busted many people from that town. BEWARE!!! Just Google her name and several scam info sites come up.
anonymous from United States
hay every one here is a new letter i just got the weird thing is that i told them about the scam and i did not want to talk to then .they made no mention of that letter just that where happy to see my pics and i didnt even send them any pics.here is the letterello my dear How are you today? I am very glad to see your email.
And I would like to see all of your pictures, because it is very interesting for me.
It makes my day. I am happy to read your emails.
I see we have a lot of common thing and I like it very much.
I think we are becoming more closer to each other.
I chose your profile because I like you very much, when I read your profile
I think you are very interesting person. And I think I am always looking for you.
I would like to tell to you how passed Birthday my girlfriend.
She have invited me to visit small cafe. She were with special the person.
They embraced and kissed. I looked at them and me It became a little sad.
I have no special the person, but I very much want to love.
You know, I believe, that on the ground each person is created for someone.
These two half necessarily should meet. Even if they should pass big and
difficult way but if so the destiny has decided, and from destiny we cannot run away.
I want to meet the person whom I can love for ever.
Unfortunately here in Russia I cannot meet my unique person,
with which I want to create family and to be happy. But I necessarily meet him,
even if he will be for hundreds miles from me, we shall find a way to be together.
By the way I have something more to tell you about me. I didnt tell you that I like travel.
I have been in Moscow, I was been there some years ago with my friends.
Also I have been in St.Peterburg. It was wonderful to see good places.
My village Ksenyevka is small but beautiful, it is about 80 km from Tomsk.
But unfortunately I had no chance to visit any foreign country.
I think its very interesting to know about culture of other countries.
Some more information about me:
- I have blue eyes;
- I am 5'6;
- I am 53 kg;
- my size (93-61-94) in cm.
Also I would like to tell you that I work in a hospital in my town.
I am optional surgeon. But I earn not much in our country.
About 200$ in your money per month. Its very little money.
Now I would like to tell you about my last weekends.
It was +2 C digrees ( this is a teperature in Celcius), and I with my friends
went to the forest for a camping. And it was very funny.
Do you like camping?
By the way, I will be 35 years old soon.
My birthday 7 of May.Can you believe it!!!.
I am very lonely in my birthday because I don't have a man who loves me.
Now I am very sad that you are so far away from me, because we could
not be together on my birthday.
I have a dream to have a family, to take care about my husband.
It is all I want in my life, I just want to be happy.
And it does not matter in what kind of country my future husband is living.
I will be next to him, and I will find any job I can to help have a good style of life.
Ok, there are some more questions for you:
- what do you feel about such relationship as we can have;
- what did you do for fun;
- what did you do on weekend.
Please answer these questions, because it is very important for me.
I will be waiting for your reply very much.
Goodbye for now, I have to go for a work.
P.S.XOXOXO Sorry if I not answered all your questions because my English is not very good.
calls her self princessa she found me on match.com here is a pic of who ever it is????
anonymous from United States
Can't you people get normal dates? What's with the hag feet on this last picture? Honestly, if you are a guy who can't get a date in their own city and they have some beautiful Russian woman wanting them, then of course it's a scam. Hello?
anonymous from Canada
I HAVE BEEN CHECKING OUT LOTS OF SCAMMERS LISTS AND SITES LATELY AND THIS 'LETTER' IS A STANDARD SCAMMERS LETTER AND THIS CHICK HAS BEEN BRANDED A SCAMMER.I HAVE SEEN LOTS OF PICTURES OF HER AND ALL OF THEM ARE SAYING THAT SHE IS A TOTAL SCAMMER.JUST TELL HER TO GET LOST .
I POSTED VERY FEW DETAILS ( AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE ) IN A DATING SITE AND I WROTE NO PROFILE AND LEFT NO PICTURES . I FIND IT HILARIOUS THAT I AM GETTING TONS OF MAIL FROM RUSSIAN WOMEN WHO LOVE WHAT I WROTE ABOUT MYSELF IN MY PROFILE AND THEY THINK THAT I AM GOOD LOOKING .HOW CAN THEY LIKE WHAT'S IN MY PROFILE WHEN I HAVE NOTHING WRITTEN AND ' NO PICTURES '
anonymous from India
is she a scammer.Plz help-----------------------------
She is Nadehzda from loskar Ola or Joskar ola. Age 29. Her e mail id: email@example.com.
She said:-----------------Hello my friend.
I am very glad that you have written to me back.
I would like to correspond with you.
And now it is a little about me,
My name is Nadehzda, I live in small city which refer to as Ioshkar-Ola.
To me of 29 years.
My city is in 850 miles from city of Moscow.
I of 172 sm of growth and my weight of 58 kg.
I have finished school and then studied in university. I studied philosophy of the different countries and the English language for this reason I and can talk in English. I work in hair-maiker saloon. I not so like my work, but anything I bett find unfortunately could not. When I acted to study in university I thought that my future trade may be useful but then I have understood that with my trade I can go to work only in school and I of it I do not want, because on those wages that pay to teachers it is impossible to live. Therefore I also have gone to work to shop.
That it is possible to tell about my hobbies, I very much love cinema! I think, that I can stay at a cinema all the day, (I joke certainly).
Well it is simple to me the interesting cinema is pleasant to look.
I prefer to listen to music on mood. I can listen in the evening to classical music and in the morning I can include radio and hop while I prepare for breakfast.
I have no harmful habits, I do not smoke and never used any narcotic substances.
It happens that I can drink easy alcoholic drinks, but it happens only during holidays and in the company of my girlfriends.
I never was married and I have no children.
I do not know why but I could not find the pleasant person for dialogue of an opposite floor, I was possible has not met the person necessary to me.
For this reason I also have decided to address in this agency.
I hope that with the help of correspondence I find second half.
If you have any questions that ask me, I with pleasure shall answer it!
Photos will be in next letters...
I shall wait for your letter.
------------------------------------Plz see her photo
& inform me at: firstname.lastname@example.org / email@example.com This image was also posted here: Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 1
anonymous from India
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, THAT IF ANYONE HAS COME ACROSS A RUSSIAN LADY BY THE NAME OF ' Nadehzda' , TO PLEASE EMAIL ME.I WOULD LIKE TO EXCHANGE PHOTOS.I HAVE FOUND THIS YOUNG LADY'S NAME IN THE SCAMMERS LIST , BUT IMAGES ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE IMAGES THAT I HAVE BEEN SENT.I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK.PLEASE HELP ME TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS WOMAN IS A SCAMMER.ALOT OF THINGS ABOUT HER DO APPEAR TO BE STRANGE AND I JUST NEED TO TALK TO SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP TO SWAY ME ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.THANKS.
Plz mail me at: firstname.lastname@example.org This image was also posted here: Dating scam from Kazan, Russia - Part 1
anonymous from Canada
THIS LETTER SOUNDS LIKE A COPY OF MANY OF THE SAME LETTERS THAT I HAVE FOUND OVER THE LAST MONTH WHILE SERACHING FOR SCAMMERS.
TRY TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT HER .TRY TO GET HER LAST NAME AT LEAST, BUT I THINK IT'S ANOTHER ONE.(SCAMMER)
IF SHES SCAMMING , THEN IT WILL BE LIKE PULLING TEETH TRYING TO GET INFO OUT OF HER .