Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
Just checked a WU-form. Western Union explicitly warns the sender! The receiver can pick up the money anywhere (not necessarily Russia). The only thing the receiver needs is the senders' name and the amount that was transferred! So: the MTCN is just a little extra, but not necessary to pick up the money.
Hi there everybody! I just told the scammer that about sending the picture along with the western union order. It isn't a reality BUT WU is checking into it because of all the scammers. There have been complaints made about it. Of course it isn't WU's fault. Thay ASSUME you know who you are sending the money too. Well, enough said. But telling the scammer that had caused a little stir. Droog? When I find another way to make life harder for scammers I will let you all know. Peter? I have enough trouble with ENGLISH but I'll get by. Anyone herad from OJAS? I have heard there has been flooding in the area of the US where he lives and I'm concerned. He's a good guy. Later.
To all the complain about Is this Russian girl scamming me? !! It's really simple if you are that worried !! date in your own country !! I love how there are no sites for scammers in United States , england and any other western country !! Look most people that complain about girls being scammer are liars themselves ! gee I lie about age and send very old photos !!! I write to a girl 20 !! I'm 58 !! There are many old fools out there that need to get a life !! IF YOU CANNOT FIND IT IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY !!!! WHY YOU THINK YOU CAN FIND IT ELSE WHERE !!!!
IF YOU SEND MONEY TO SOMEONE YOU DON'T KNOW THATS YOUR FALT !!! TAKE IT LIKE A MAN AND STOP CRYING ABOUT IT !!!! YOU SENT THE MONEY FOOL !!!! YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU GET !!! YOU SENT THE MONEY !!! DID YOU NOT !!!! NO ONE MADE YOU !!!!
SO IT IS SIMPLE DON'T SEND MONEY TO A PERSON YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!! IF YOU DO IT THEN DO NOT CRY I GOT SCAMMEND !!!
Peter from Germany
Peter from UK,
I saw your comments at the Kasaya/Natalia thread. I guess there is another thread with this girl somewhere here. Try all your pics with the pic search. I am not sure though.
Anon poster above,
if your are looking for a partner in your neighborhood AND trying internet for that purpose you will get offers from scammers at once. If you do not know anything about this you can fall for it easily.
Idiots can be coaxed into sending money from an email containing a few nice words and a photo of a beautiful girl, do probably realize that the chances of some beautiful young hot totty falling madly in love with them just by reading a profile on a crap dating website is too good to be true.
Anyone with a brain cell should know when they are being suckered in by a scam.
But still, the scammers can rely on these idiots as their sole income, enough clientele to have turned scamming into a very lucrative industry.
The idiots are psychologically unbalanced, who actually convince themselves that these on line love affairs is for real with genuine totty who are keen to share their lives with them.
Scammers have been in active operation for years. First the bogus African business deals and now the dating and marriage scams. There has been an abundance of publicity over many years describing how scammers operate; yet scammers are thriving.
The most efficient method of coming down hard on scammers is don’t play their game, delete their communications from the beginning and erase them out of business, it’s that simple.
firstname.lastname@example.org from United Kingdom
Peter from Germany
Thanks for the comment.
Just a longshot, going off at a tangent:
Have an interest in german steam railways/photography
Dont suppose you have similar interests?
email@example.com from United Kingdom
Re: Dating scammer Kasaya / Natalia
Is it possible the original writer could provide additional information:
Peter from the UK. Have you checked this thread? The pictures in one of your post (the one with three pictures in it) look familiar to me. Also, does this picture look familiar to you> I have received emails from someone calling herself Ekaterina and found one of her pictures there. Good luck man. Nice to see Peter from Germany is on top of things.
hey guys im alex im 23 and have met a russian girl online... im not usually the one to fall for such stories but the girl i am with seems if to be a scammer... a very good one...
she sounds really genuwine and has matched a couple of things you have mentioned... she has already told me about her father and parents she says she lives in an apartment with her parents... but will get her own money and get her visa etc and come see me here in auzzie...
the photos are almost to die for.. but not all of them.. they seem rather everday rather than model photos...
her name is elena and the email address is firstname.lastname@example.org i have tryed googe ing that address but nothing is coming up so its a kind of a sign of relief.. but
i need more info on the whole situation... i love russian women... and i wish to be with one in the future and wont give up hope in this endevour... fore ihave strong faith in having a sweet ass relationship with one...
but yeah if you guys could ... send me a mail on some links or ideas on how to find out if she maybe a scammer... but hey maybe she could be a genuwine one ey boiz..?? hehe if so ill be celebrating!! thanks
I also got almost the same email from her (iraida) with exactly the same picture! and two others( one is attached) Told her that i cannot love someone that i have never met and guess what.. no reply anymore!
I think if she really likes to make a lot of money she has to come over here to holland and work for me as a prostitute/escort girl. then she can buy a new mercedes soon enouigh! I did wirite that to her, but no reply to that email either !
PETER form Germany can you tell me how the picture search works? seems like a very handy tool to me!
go to the 'welcome page/primer for newbies' at the bottom of this page. Read from start on, do not begin with the comment boxes. Then go here:
Good luck - you deserve a real girl. Never send money!
No, I am not the programmer of this indeed useful tool. You got to ask the admin Peter, owner of this site, showing up here always with US-flag.
Peter from UK
Although the transrapid is build at my place I pity I got not much to do with railways.
Post your request to Christoph at the so-called german thread too:
Maybe he is following this one.