Is this Russian girl scamming me? How to recognize scammers
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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.
Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:
If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:
the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.
Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.
PHOTO FLOOD! IF IT/SHE/HIM/THEM - LOOK TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - THEN IT PROBABLY IS! MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE SCAMMES USE PHOTOS OF MODELS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES TO POSE ON THE NET IN THEIR PROFILE(s)! Consider this - IF THEY LOOK like a MODEL then tell you they're so poor they don't have access to a phone - YOUR BEING SCAMMED!
ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.
BETTER STILL - ASK THEM TO TAKE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THEM HOLDING A CURRENT NEWPAPER OF YOUR CHOICE OR THEIR COUNTRY, WITH A RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN READ THE DATE! NOT some low grade - grainy photo! FEW WILL EVER DO THAT.
AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.
*** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
IF THINGS GET SERIOUS - then ASK THEM TO DELETE ALL THEIR OTHER WEB PROFILE POSTS! CHECK ON THE ONES YOU NOTED EARLIER! Again, IF THEIR SINCERE - they will - happily as your their DREAM and future!
If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.
Anyone ever see this lady before. She calls herself Marina, her email is email@example.com
I have been talking to her for about a month and now she wants to come meet me. She is from Volzhsk, Russia
2012-08-17, 01:06:30 anonymous from Douglasville, United States - Anyone ever see this lady before. >>>
Ohh yeah... click on the link below and you'l find her pics on this marriage agency scam site...
Ekaterina Vasileva (Vasileve) - Marriage Agency Scams - Blacklist of ...marriageagencyscams.com/Girls/EkaterinaVasileva2.htmlCached
Feb 23, 2012 – Looking for info on Ekaterina Vasileva (Vasileve) or anastasiadate, anastasiaweb, dream marriage, dream-marriage, natasha club, hot russian ...
Here's some more of Yuliya from Velsk. She was pretty convincing at first.I asked'Boris' what her real name is. No reply yet!
[hidden] from Tampa, United States
Yuliya also goes by Safina Alina and Albina Minhaerova. I found her on Anti Arnaques web site. This image was also posted here: Dating scammer Yuliya
Blacklist of Russian and Ukrainian women | Dating fraud ...www.antiarnaques.org/.../liste_noire-femmes_russes_ukrainiennes_eu...Cached
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Date de naissance: 17 October, 1978. Adresse: Russie, Udmurtiva Russia, domaine Vladimerskya City Vyazniki, Lenina street, la maison 41, l'appartement 2, ...
firstname.lastname@example.org from Tampa, United States
Hello My Lovely Man and My Sun Jim!!!!!!
Jim I am glad to receive your letter. I very much miss you and I so
our meeting very soon is glad that. I think of you constantly.
I today went in Travel agency and have told them the information on
the airport. To me would tell that I have approached later. I very
much miss you. I am very tired today, all day ran there here and when
has come home that have fallen asleep. I have come now from a house. I
so shall be happy that soon with you. Today I have learned my
girlfriend to use e-mail and she has told that will be check a mail
when I shall be with you and to receive my photos. Mum too looked but
has then told that a lot of difficult.
Jim she has told that will receive a photo and letters Ekaterina.
Jim I as saw today fine dream about that that as we with you enjoyed
our love. It was fine. I have woken up from that that it would be
desirable to embrace you and to kiss, never to release and always to
be in your embraces, such sweet and gentle, the most passionate and
tender. We made love first time, it was such fine dream. I believe
that it becomes a reality and I want faster to you.
Jim I with impatience wait tomorrow when I can go in the Internet of
cafe and learn flight on which I shall depart to you.
I love you Jim!!!!!
Only you and only with you I want to be happy. You in my heart for
ever and I would want that we with you were happy!
Yours and only your loving and gentle Yuliya(email@example.com This image was also posted here: Dating scammer Yuliya